I have a fun and fascinating topic this week: Cosmic Health. Jennifer Racioppi joins me to share her knowledge on this topic and share how the celestial cycles impact your ever-changing sense of self. Jennifer is a certified Duke Integrative Medicine Health Coach, a holistic health counselor, a Positive Psychology coach, and an astrologer. She is also the author of the book, aptly titled: Cosmic Health: Unlock Your Healing Magic with Astrology, Positive Psychology, and Integrative Wellness. 

In this episode you’ll hear: 

  • Jennifer’s personal health and wellness journey; which began with an endometrial cancer diagnosis at the age of nineteen and onset of parachute menopause shortly thereafter. (7:50)
  • Being in sync with circadian, monthly, and annual rhythms is important for well-being. (23:57)
  • Why rituals are an important part of cosmic health. (30:32)

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Jennifer Racioppi is a certified Duke Integrative Medicine Health Coach, a holistic health counselor, a Positive Psychology coach, and an astrologer. Her popular private practice often has a waitlist due to high demand. Since 2017 Racioppi has written Well + Good’s weekly Cosmic Health column. She’s also served as the resident astrologer for Kate Northrup’s membership site Origin, wrote regular horoscopes for Reebok, and has had her work featured in Cosmopolitan Magazine, MindBodyGreen, Forbes, Business Insider, The Numinous, Netflix Family, and Aerie. Her first book, Cosmic Health was released in January 2021 with Little, Brown Spark.

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Jennifer 00:00
For all you listeners out there that are menstruating. If you can not have all your meetings on the last day of your cycle or the first day of your cycle, meaning the last day before you get your period or the first day of your period, it's the best thing you can do. Because your body isn't wired at that time to be on it and articulate its internal Yin moment. And your whole month will go better if you just honor that.

Andrea 00:28
You're listening to Make Some Noise Podcast episode number 400 with guest Jenn Racioppi.
Welcome to Make Some Noise Podcast, your guide for strategies, tools and insights to empower yourself. I'm your host, Andrea Irwin, global speaker, entrepreneur, life coach since 2007, an author of three books that have been translated into 18 languages and are available in 22 countries. Each week, I'll bring you a guest or a lesson that will help you maximize unshakable confidence, master resilience and make some noise in your life. Are you ready? Let's go.

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Okay, Jenn Racioppi here. She and I have been online friends for a long time. We spoke at soul camp in 2015 together, we met in real life then and I am finally getting around to having her on the show. I love the work that she does. It's so incredibly fascinating. And for those of you that don't know who she is, let me tell you a little bit about her. Jenn Racioppi is a certified Duke integrative medicine health coach, a holistic health counselor, a positive psychology coach, and an astrologer since 2017. Racioppi has written well in good weekly cosmic health column. Her work has been featured in Cosmopolitan Magazine, mindbodygreen, Forbes, Business Insider, the new mius, Netflix family and Airy. Her first book, Cosmic Health was released in January 2021. So without further ado, here is Jenn.

Jennifer, thank you so much for being here.

Jennifer 07:50
Oh, it's such an honor. I'm really excited.

Jennifer 07:53
I want to start by asking you about well, okay, so I was I was on your website, and I was reading about your, you know, your about page and you had something that happened to you health wise, when you were very young. I was eating chocolate covered almonds. And I literally like one fell out of my mouth. I was like, oh my god, when that happened to you when you were very young. So can we start there? And you tell us and I have no idea if that's what brought you into the work that you do now, but , can you give us a little history?

Jennifer 08:02
Yeah, yeah, so it absolutely brought me into the work I do. Now when I was a teenager I had a really difficult periods, menstrual cycles, totally dysfunctional. spent much of my teenage like high school years in and out of gynecologists’ office, just trying to find answers just looking for like what what could make my periods regular and sound and me not feel depressed and, and in so much pain. They were really horrific. And I was just always told, like, hey, you're a normal teenager, here's the pill, you know, this will help you out. Here's an antidepressant that will help you out. And then it was maybe six weeks after I graduated high school that I was like, fell to the floor in the most horrific pain and ended up crawling myself to the phone. So I was there by myself to get an ambulance to the hospital and I had a tumor, the size of a bowling ball erupted my left ovary that needed to be immediately removed, which then had a pathology report come back to said it was stage one ovarian cancer. And I went through many tests and surgeries and exploratory surgeries and Repatha. And they basically came back to me and said Actually, this isn't really ovarian cancer. This is something that's mimicking cancer, we're going to watch it you know, go back on the pill and off to college you go and…

Andrea 9:00
So left the tumor in there?

Jennifer 9:02
Oh, no, no, they had to remove the so I had my left ovary fallopian tube removed with the tumor. They did lots of exploratory surgeries to found that there was like nothing that spread and what came up on the pathology report. Didn't warrant chemo, essentially. Okay. And so that was like it actually was July 22, 1997. And then I was in college by September of 1997. And just back on the pill back on like antidepressants or whatever.

Andrea 10:00
The pill is just gonna solve all of our problems.

Jennifer 10:03
You know, and I was like this… And I was traumatized like that, because I had already had so many, you know, body issues and period issues and, and the whole thing was just totally traumatizing for me. So I went to college and I was kind of, you know, I was fine, but not really great and sort of just like getting through the year. But I wasn't happy. And I really wasn't happy. I was like, kind of depressed and just not feeling great. So I had made plans to transfer colleges, because I thought being in a different state being in a different school would really help me. And I was, you know, had made it through the summer prior to this transfer. And it was like, literally two to three weeks before as other, you know, heading off to this new school, which is going to be a whole fresh start for me. And I had like a routine doctor's appointment, they were very routine, because they're watching me pretty closely at that time. And they found something suspicious, did the biopsy, sent it off. And, you know, for me, it wasn't really expecting much, because I don't know, I was at the doctor all the time with getting things probed and wands and scepters, whatever. So I was like, whatever, it's gonna come back fine. And it didn't it came back as an aggressive endometrial cancer that required immediate, immediate, immediate, immediate response and intervention. So that led to you having had a radical hysterectomy in August of 1998.

Andrea 11:32
You were 20 at that point.

Jennifer 11:34
No, I was. I think it was 19. Yeah, yeah. So I was 19. Cuz I had the problem with the ovary, and there was the potential for ovarian cancer that was just like very curious to them. They were like, Yeah, we got to take out this other ovary as well, which for anyone is a really big deal to not have ovaries, because their ovaries are aside from the fertility function, produce our hormones, and so when we don't have functioning ovaries, we don't have the, you know, anywhere in our body to generate the right amount of predominantly estrogen, though there's a mix of things that are happening there. Not really prepared for that no one really told me about it was more like, Well, do you plan on having kids that sort of conversation, and meanwhile, I'm a teenager, so I don't know. It was the 90s. They couldn't freeze eggs at that time, it was before egg freezing was an option. So the primary conversation with my doctors was essentially like, how do you feel about not having kids because you're basically going to surrender your ability to have kids but stay alive, and I didn't really have much time to decide. And you know, there's a lot happening in a really short period of time, you know, based on best opinions, etc. And really the fact that I wanted to live and it seemed pretty threatening if I didn't, I had my additional ovary removed, as well as my uterus, cervix, right fallopian tube. Yeah. And they took out my appendix to for good measure, just for good measure.

Andrea 13:01
Just for free free. Oh, my gosh, so that sends you into menopause. Correct?

Jennifer 13:03

Andrea 13:04
As a teenager.

Jennifer 13:06
Yeah. So it was a what they call parachute menopause, where you just immediately landed in menopause and menopause is a thing, man, it's a thing. And it was particularly a thing for a teenager who never really actually even had a healthy regular menstrual cycle. So after I had had that surgery, things just got friggin weird. So weird. Hot flash weird, cognitive, I mean I was disassociating, I was having a hard time reading and writing, I was having a hard time articulating thoughts and then panic attacks set in because I couldn't keep up with my schoolwork. I couldn't socialize. And then, they just kept getting weird. And I was on this like, downward slope of weird for a pretty pretty maybe like nine or 10 months. And I just realized that I was gonna have to tear down my life and build it back up. I took a leave of absence from college, I financially emancipated myself from my family, and I moved to California to restart my life. And you know, I mean, it's just funny because now it's like, if I had that kind of a health crisis, I'd be googling answers, right? Reading, you know, but in the 90s that didn't exist, there were no wellness blogs, there were new wellness influencers, social media hadn't existed, there was no community. So I just went searching for like, what the hell went wrong with my body? And what is going wrong with my body now? Why can't I breathe? Why am I freaking out with like, crazy sweat attacks? What is all this? Yeah, and that eventually led me to figuring out that the moon's rhythm mirrors the menstrual rhythm, and then if I could just start to. start honoring the moon. It's sounds so strange, I might be We'll get a handle on this very dysfunctional biological response to not having ovaries.

Andrea 15:06
Okay. Oh my gosh, I have so many questions. I don't even know which direction I want to go in. But I think I want to start with that last thing that you talked about, because it sounds like there were a lot of other things at play, you know, with your family, you know, in your personal life, it wasn't just your physical body that was really struggling. There were a lot of other issues you were so young, and moving into, and just just your whole future gets sort of like thrown in your face, and you have to make very grown-up decisions that you just probably aren't prepared for. And how in the world like, did you have a divine? Like, download? Was there a book that just fell from the sky? Like, how do you land on that about the moon? Yeah. Did you always have an interest before was it brand new?

Jennifer 15:53
God, no. I mean, yeah, you have to picture me as like, you know, I read horoscope books, and I was like, really into what were their like animal cards or like tarot cards, animal pictures on like, that sort of thing. And like, you know, I mean, I was curious, but really, I was as basically a very tomboy surfer skater, snowboard girl who was very disconnected and always. So what happened was, is that I was just really obedient, really obedient to whatever brought me joy. Like, that was basically how I navigated that time. And I had moved to Lake Tahoe from San Diego, to teach ski lessons, and snowboard. So that was like a good winter, you know, like, kept me occupied. Give me something that was super fun. At that point, I was like 21. So, you know, being a snow snowboarder and ski instructor in Lake Tahoe, when you're 21. It's not not really that bad of a gig.

But it was the end of the season. It was actually the middle of summer and I didn't know what I was going to do. Like, I had to figure out college, I had all these college acceptance letters, and I just was lost. I had no idea where to go or what to do. And so I stepped stumbled into like, a metaphysical bookstore and there was a tarot, tarot reader there. And I was like, Well, I guess I'll get my cards read. And she just, like, laid it out. For me. She's like, Hey, here's this deal. You've been through like this hell with your health, you might have something else in your life that looks like that, again, as a matter of fact, it looks dire, like, oh my god. And then she's like, but there's this whole other path here for you. That's really interesting. She's like, you kind of like, move forward with your life, find some new direction, do what you really want to do, and it's gonna be okay. And I was like, Wow, that sounds like, you know, are you going to sell me something now? $900. And you're like, where are we going with this lady? Oh, my gosh, but when she threw down after that was you have to start working with the moon. And I was just like, you know, like, we're moon?

Andrea 18:16
Like become an astronaut

Jennifer 18:20
Like, no, literally no idea. And, but she said enough to me that like made sense. And she said to me, she's like, I want you to just like, you know, let's do another session. But I don't want you to come back until you know what you want to do. You know, like, what do you want to do? Because until you know what you want, you're really just a bit lost. And I was just like, oh god, so she challenged me. And it turns out, she, you know, the stories like that she basically saved my life. And she was really amazing. And I think she like she just I don't know if she's on the planet anymore, because I can't find her. But she was the type of person who like never went to a she was in San Francisco once, you know, and she lived on like the West shore of Lake Tahoe and like this like house that was like who lives here fairies. And then other than that, spent time living with the Hopi Indians, American Indians, Native Americans, you know, she's just this person that lived her own way, and was really one of the only truly spiritual people I think I've ever met in my whole life. No frills, just to the bone truth. And all dimensions of her lifestyle. Like so psychically open, she couldn't really even be in the city. So anyway, she's like, you got to go figure out what it is you want to do. And once you figure that out, you can come back and we'll talk more. And I ended up walking across the street from that store into the Tahoe City Library, and I pulled out like a book on colleges. And I just kind of opened it up and I went to San Francisco State University, which I had already applied to and been accepted. I had a number of college acceptance. San Francisco State University was not at all on my radar. It was like, yeah, it wasn't at all one of my top choices. But I opened the book up and I was like, went right to like, have creative writing program and I was like, this is really what I want. Like cuz I wrote a lot, you know, like this, but I was going to school for all these complicated things and thought I was gonna become a lawyer.

And anyway, so there was like this, like, straight to the heart truth in that, like, Is that possible? Could I go to school and just do it. I Want and right. And like I researched the school, I researched the program, it was actually one of their strongest programs. It is a great program. I'd already had a college acceptance there and it was like basically going to be almost free because I was a college, California State resident, like the scene feels weird. So I sat with it. And I'm like, I think I want to like move to San Francisco. But like, it was 2001. And there was a big .com boom happening. So I was like, I don't really know how I’d live there because there's people making like multiple six figures, couch surfing, and I like make $8.75 an hour. You know, like, you know, it was kind of a problem. So anyway, I went back to her and I was like, I think I know what I want to do. I want to move to San Francisco and I want to pursue this writing path. And but like, I don't know, how I’d live there, like how this wouldn't really all come together. And then that's what she's like, Okay, well, we're gonna teach you this thing about working with the moon’s phases and like, you know, making making magic in your life, you know, and I was just like, what the fuck is this woman talking about?

But she had spoken enough truth to me I was like alright, I'll explore this a little bit more with her. And I ended up going to her house and doing some, some work with her. And things just started like opening up and clicking. And it turns out, I got an apartment in San Francisco for like $400 a month. It was a roommate situation, it was really close to college. Like it was like three, four blocks from the beach, which at the time is like not where you want to be in San Francisco because it's foggy and weird. But for me, it was like, I love fog. And I love weird and I love the ocean. I was like, whoa, wait I live so close to the beach like this is awesome. And I went I went to the San Francisco State and she mentored me for a few years after that. But the moon kept coming back up. So then I started working with an Ayurvedic practitioner who did my Vedic chart and he was like, you got to work with the moon, it was it just became this thing.

Andrea 21:59
Just all things pointing towards working with the moon.

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Well in 2001, that was 20 years ago and I think now people are a little bit more open to the topic, but I feel like back then people might have looked at you like you had two heads.

Jennifer 23:03
Like yoga was weird back then. Right?

Jennifer 23:09
Uh huh.

Andrea 23:11
Yes, I remember I remember you also teach about circadian. What is it called circadian method or…?

Jennifer 23:16
Rhythms or circadian rhythms?

Andrea 23:20
Thank you. You can tell this is not my wheelhouse. But I'm fascinated by it. And just you know, kind of like monthly and annual and maybe like seasonal rhythms. Can you give us kind of like the the the crash course on that?

Jennifer 23:57
Alight, right. So it's biological rhythms. And there's a field called chronobiology that's really hip to studying these things and has really taken off in recent years because of a Nobel award on research on the circadian rhythm. But the circadian rhythm is our 24-hour rhythm. And it's like we wake up in the morning and our melatonin decreases, our cortisol rises, we get some energy and, and then in the evening, things reverse and we wind down right? Like essentially, that's the most basic bottom line, almost elementary description of what the circadian rhythm is. When we synchronize with light dark cycles. It works best. So our circadian rhythm is run on an endogenous clock inside of us. Meaning there's a clock that has this wake sleep pattern that goes it does it on its own right? Like, so if you are someone who is a shift worker right and you work in the night your circadian rhythm will adjust to your sleep cycles. It doesn't absolutely have to be synchronized with light and dark, dictated by rising and setting of the sun. But when it is, it works best, right? So our circadian rhythm is our daily rhythm. And it synchronizes with the Earth's rotation on its axis, its daily rotation on its axis. And, you know, we evolved as a species on an earth that rotates daily. And so our adaptations have formed in response to these basic geophysical cycles that guide Earth, right? We have them in our biology. So that's one of our cycles

We have another cycle called the circuit annual rhythm, which is when we think about what the earth is doing every day, it's rotating, but it's also orbiting the sun. And so we have this annual orbit we do around this the sun, and, you know, it gives us different experiences of what it means to be here on Earth, based on where we are in the orbital pattern around the sun, aka seasons. And so we have a natural adaptation to the fluctuations of light and dark, warm and cold. And what's available on our local environment based on food, lifestyle adaptations that follow seasonal cycles. So that's our annual rhythm.

But there's one more rhythm and this is the rhythm I really needed to heal. Because I, you know, obviously had my whole gynecological situation blow up. And it's the ciramonthly or the circa circalunar rhythm, which is a monthly rhythm that is, has a waxing and waning, right? So women who are in their healthy reproductive cycles, have this experience through their period, right? Generally, once a month you'll ovulate, generally once a month, you’ll menstruate. And then there's a follicular phase, which is the period between menstruation and ovulation where your hormones are preparing for your body to potentially get pregnant and then there's the luteal phase between ovulation and your period on the backside. Whereas if you don't get pregnant, your body sheds the uterine lining gets ready to shed the uterine lining and restart the whole cycle again. Happens anywhere, you know, I mean, cycle lengths for menstrual cycles, or there's a you know, it could be 21 days could be 35 days, that's still in the realm of health. But generally speaking, the average is about 29-30. You know, whatever. It's, it's similar to the length the moon.

So there's a lot of scientific debate right now over whether we as humans have an endogenous clock that developed as an adaptation to the moon's rhythmic cycle in the way that we have an endogenous clock that developed in it as an adaptation to the daily cycle, or the yearly cycle, though the yearly cycle it actually I don't believe as endogenous so, I hold my breath there. But the circa lunar clock is, is under scientific debate in humans. But we know that animals, particularly fish, marine life, lots of the plant kingdom actually have an endogenous clock that works in synchrony with the moon. And we live on a planet that, we're so much of life on this planet, is proven to be responsive to the fluctuations of the moon throughout the month. And so based on my own work, which is synchronizing my my life to the phases of the moon and absence of a period and having taught this to thousands and thousands of people over the years, I'm pretty friggin convinced that whether we have an endogenous clock or not, it doesn't freakin matter. Because we do like we cycle with the moon, basically, on some level.

Andrea 29:02
People who menstruate have had the experience of feeling either, you know, very aroused during ovulation, or very, very tired, either right before their period or during. I mean, I started actually, and I'm lucky enough to have a job where I can do this. I recently started blocking off time in my calendar when I know that my period is coming. Because as a 45-year-old woman, I get so tired the first and second day of my period, I can barely… Like it happened because I had like four of these interviews in a day. And it was the first day of my period one month and I was like, never again, I can't I can't even stay awake and it's not fair to my guests. And so I started blocking it out on my calendar. So I have the experience where, yes, this it matters. And oh yeah, it just makes sense.

Jennifer 29:52
Yeah, if you for all you listeners out there that are menstruating If you can not have all your meetings on the last day of your life. For the first day of your cycle, meaning the last day before you get your period or the first day of your period, it's the best thing you can do. Because your body isn't wired at that time to be on it and articulate. It says it's an internal Yin moment. And your whole month will go better. If you just honor that.

Andrea 30:19
Yeah, I believe it. What are the kind of struggles that people come to you with when they want to work with you? Like what in the world is somebody typing into Google where they come across? Jenn Racioppi name and your website, or like, I need to work with her.


Jennifer 30:32
I rank really high in SEO for like moon rituals, moon ritual magic, that sort of thing. So people come to me, like, because they're like, what's this moon thing? You know, it's really caught trend. Honestly, I don't know if people really Google me to find me, like in a professional capacity, maybe they do. I think that they Google me and they're like, what is this and then they stick around, and then they get my content, or they find me on Instagram, and then they're like, I'd be interested in working with her, what is she up to, I think that they, they, they find me and then they hang out for a while. And then they develop a connection to me, and they want to work with me. I also have been doing this professionally. I think I went like full fully into this in like 2012 as like a profession, you know, obviously, I'd studied and practiced in time and teaching this since 2001. Like, basically, I got San Francisco State and I was like, Alright, I learned this thing. And like, you're my friend, you're gonna learn to to, you know, like, and then from there, it's just snowballed. My, my business has been sold out based on word-of-mouth recommendations. So I don't know, I'm not that great at business.

Andrea 31:43
But I'm great at moon cycles.

Jennifer 31:45
But I am a business coach. But I mean, in my own business, like, it's just like, I just kind of have a, I've been at full capacity since day one. And I don't know what I did to make that happen, or how it sustains itself. Other than it just does.

Andrea 32:04
Yeah, I put that tarot card reader lady would know. Tell us about rituals. And you and you say that that's an important part of cosmic health. Tell us about that.

Jennifer 32:15
I mean, we all have rituals, right? Like, we brush our teeth, coffee in the morning, coffee in the morning walks or talks with friends. And so we only have so much willpower. We actually don't have much willpower at all. And once we use it up, it's like gone. And so the idea of rituals and rhythmic living is this idea that we train ourselves into a habit or a routine that then serves us, right? And so it's like entrainment. And once we in train ourselves to things, it takes no willpower to do it because we brush our teeth, like when I fall asleep on the couch and don't brush my teeth that's weird. Yeah, you know, like, That's weird. That's a gross feeling in the morning. I don't feel good about myself. And it's like, ugh huh You know, I don't question that, right, because I'm in trained to do it. And so rituals have many meanings. It can be like we said, like you work out in a certain time in a certain day, or where you brush your teeth at a certain time or certain day but, and rituals have a whole other meaning, which is a time to really commune with your spiritual practice. We can entrain that too, right?

So the rituals I teach are about honoring the moon's phases and life cycles via the seasons, the monthly rhythms via the moon, obviously, I've gone really deep into astrology, it has become the essence of my existence. So I do much more complicated cycle, watching now via the whole system of astrology. But if we can entrain ourselves to honor the cycles within the month, with a spiritual practice that grounds us in our spiritual intuitive knowing and our desire, it becomes a hell of a lot easier to awaken consistently, the part of ourselves that has a little bit more mystical inclination, and do things our way.

Andrea 34:16
So your book is Cosmic Health. And is it for someone like people of our audience who might be more just curious about these topics, and the phases and astrology and things like

Jennifer 34:27
that. I'm super proud of the book. I'm super pumped on the book, I spent a lot of time writing it, obviously. And it was a really hard book to write because it's actually like a hybrid. So it's a book on positive psychology, in integrative wellness told through the story of astrology. It's multi valence, and very layered. And that said, it's very easy for the book to get techie in a way that wouldn't serve the reader. So the book is written in a way that was actually super challenging in terms of like structure, tone, voice, story, that it's meant to read really simply, and also have a ton of meat in there for people who just want to live a healthier life with more ease. And that's really who the book is for.

The concept of the book is that rhythmicity and cyclical living is the found one of the key pillars to our health. And going back to those three cycles, the circa, circadian rhythm, circa, annual rhythm, and circamonthly rhythm, those three cycles are basically the foundation of astrology. Because astrology is really the study of Earth's daily rotation, or its yearly orbit, and the moon's cyclical journey around the sun. And then from there, we layer in the planets and how they travel around the sun, according to our view from Earth. And we give it some archetypal meanings and some historical references for what these things mean. And boom, we have a system. But that's basically what astrology is, is the study of cycles and rhythms, and how they correlate with our experiences of being here on Earth. But anyway, so the book is really for anyone who wants to, to have an easier time being healthy and for them, right, it's not about a diet, it's not about an exercise routine, it's about understanding who you are, what you want, where you're going, and how you're going to get there with the greatest sense of ease by working with and not against the cycles that guide our life and understanding how those cycles live inside of us.

Andrea 36:31
I, and this might sound so elementary, but I'm gonna say it anyway. But I got curious about this. This topic years ago, when I was I was standing on like a, I'm from San Diego too when I was in Carlsbad standing on the cliffs. And I was looking out at the vast ocean, which I had done many times and thinking to myself, how interesting it is that the similarities of salt water and how humans are made up mostly of water and a lot of salt, and how the moon has the power to change the tides. Like it can pull these massive bodies of water every day without fail. And we're supposed to think that we're not connected to that in some way that we're not at one? And I mean, this was a long time ago, I was I was sort of contemplating that. But at the same time, I was like, well, that's just weird. That's just woowoo. And so I'm always fascinated with people who do the work that you do, because it just I don't know, I have some kind of inner knowing where, where it's just like, yes, this is all this is all true. It's I still don't totally understand it. But I believe you.


Jennifer 37:38
I too have had those moments. And it's really interesting, because the science actually really doesn't, it sort of debunks this idea that the moon is pulling us in some way that is similar to that which it does on the ocean. The reason why the tides are impacted by the moon, and you know, we have to tides everyday cyclical as well is because of where the moon is, in terms of the Earth's rotating, the moon's going around the earth, and therefore the moon's on a different side of the Earth at different times. And there, that's why we have high and low tide, we also have spring and neap tide, which spring tide is the tide at new moon and full moon that are stronger tides, whereas neap tides are the waxing and waning phases of the moon, particularly the waxing quarter waning quarter, where there's more of an even balance between them.

So we definitely know that the moon and the ocean have this deep relationship, but is that same gravitational pull on the ocean really impacting us? If we would feel it every time the tide shifted, right, we would feel it, that low tide right? And we don't necessarily like we really aren't tidal in that way worse, cyclical, but not necessarily tidal. And what the science is showing now is that we're light responsive. And so the moon doesn't have laid on its own, the moon reflects the sun's light back to us. And we see varying portions of the portions of the moon throughout the month because the moon is going around the Earth and the earth is spinning on its axis. And therefore, you know, the relationship between the moon and the sun is shifting. So we'll see more of the moon based on its alignment with the sun and then we'll see less of the moon based on it’s alignment for the sun. Are you following me so far?

Andrea 39:35
Yeah. And I have a basic understanding of that very basic.

Jennifer 39:38
Yeah. And then we come back to this idea that we have these rhythms, right. And so why do we have the circadian rhythm? Why are we responsive to the sun's rise and set in a way that our biology has responded to it? From an adaptation standpoint, it's because we're late responsive. We're light responsive. And so at the time of the full moon, the sun and the moon are opposite, which means that the moon's rising while the sun setting, which means that in the later phases of the waxing cycle, we're really getting the moon rise in the afternoon. And then the sunset is happening at the same time. But we're getting moonlight and sunlight for a portion of the day. And then when the sun goes down, we have lots of moonlight. And that's the science. That's what the science is showing now is that we're light responsive. And when we have stronger light during the day in the waxing phases, and then more light at night, when the moon's full, we are getting, our neuroendocrinology basically, is getting flooded with an additional source of light that has an impact on us.

And again, this is sort of nascent and to the point of your work, the reason why we don't have really good science on this, is because the moon has been has such deep entrenchments with the Divine Feminine, witchcraft, aspects of feminine power, that have not only been demonized, but completely removed from anything that has, you know, a science-based backing in terms of something of interest. So biology has mostly been men, mostly been white men. And studying the moon validates witchcraft, essentially. I mean, I'm making a jump there, right? Yeah. And so we don't really have enough science on it at the bottom of at the end of the day. And what's happening now is we're getting a lot more science on it. Why? Because we have a lot more female biologists who have the same stinking questions that you and I are like, well, it sounds woowoo. It's not well, it's no, it's chronobiology, there's millions and billions of dollars being sunk into research on it. We're behind the eight ball on research on it, because we've predominantly had a male dominated community running biology since the inception of biology. And this stuff goes so deep that including astrology, you know, you go so deep in the land of things that…

Andrea 42:29
Flies in the face of Christianity, and…

Jennifer 42:32
Yeah, Christianity, patriarchy, white supremacy, I mean, all the things. And so it's just, it's poorly researched at the end of the day.

Andrea 42:41
I didn't know that. And it makes a whole lot of sense. It's interesting to me how many misconceptions there are about witchcraft. Like people hear that word, like you want to see people get uncomfortable., you talk to them about witchcraft. I have found that to be true. Well, I could talk to you all day, I feel like I have so much to learn from you. And and I know that I would love to have you back on if you're willing to do so. And we are going to drop the link to your book in the show notes. And it's available. Is it available? Also at bookstores? Correct. And on Target.com Amazon? All those places?

Jennifer 43:07
All the places all the places. It’s available in Canada, Europe?

Andrea 43:22
Oh, good. No. Yeah, Mexico. Okay. Good for all of our our listeners who are not here in the United States. Thank you so much. Is there anything you want to say that you feel like you want to circle back on in order to feel complete?

Jennifer 43:37
Yeah, I mean, the only thing I'll say is that going back to the story of the woman giving you the tarot reading, and like telling me like, follow my passion was like a key to health. I just want to highlight an exclamate that point is like, it actually is a really important part of our health. And so you know, it may feel like this thing that's like, secondary, you know,? But I just want to land it on the centering your pleasure and centering your purpose at the center of your health is essentially what I what I've learned is like the most foundational thing you can do for yourself. And that's basically like the essence of what cosmic health teaches. And that's been my experience.

Andrea 44:09
That's such a great name for for anything, but especially for a book Cosmic Health. And like I said, well, we'll drop that in the show notes. Jenn, thank you so much for being here. And listeners, thank you so much for joining us, you know, that I value your time so much. And remember, it's our life's journey to make ourselves better humans and our life's responsibility to make the world a better place by everyone.

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